453. - Sara Jane Ho

All right, this episode of How Long Gone is brought to you by Stateside with Kai and Carter, a new podcast from The Guardian. And they are using this podcast to slow down the news and wrestle with the questions that we all have about what's happening in the world. And they do it three times a week, Jason. Does that sound familiar to you? We don't really talk about, you know, a lot of international global news items and climates and cultures and sports and things like that. We do talk about fashion and wellness, but for everything else, Kai and Carter are a great place. All right, so who couldn't use more news? Listen wherever you get your podcast. or watch on YouTube. How long gone? Beyonce was robbed. Jason, how are you feeling after Renaissance lost? to Harold's house last night. The internet is up in, I mean, just absolute disarray. People are upset. And, you know, I obviously a fan of both artists, but I must say both of those albums are mid, is the reality. Of course. I guess, though, that the Grammy and the voters traditionally lean mid. when it comes to their selection. Ozzy Osbourne and Bonnie Raitt had an amazing year. They lit 2022 on fire. I feel like everywhere you turned, it was Ozzy Osbourne and Bonnie Raitt. See, now you sound like an uninformed TikToker, Jason, because you know as well as I do that this is not voted on by fans. This is not the Billboard Awards where it's chart-based. This is based on musicianship, craft, songwriting, tonality, all of the above. Because the people voting on these awards are peers, Jason. You know what I mean? It's as if Mark Maron, Joe Budden, and SmartList were voting for us for best podcast of the year. You know what I mean? I think it's a little bit more based on A&R backstabbing and blackmail. I don't think it's based on blackmail. I think it's based on the fact that...

Everyone likes what they like. Obviously, you're given some parameters. I've never voted, even though I'm an esteemed member of the music business. But my guess is you're given some parameters. You're a member of the music business. That was a key detail, not a member of the academy, a member of the music business. No, no, no. Exactly. So am I. That's so weird. Both of us. No, that's what I'm saying. Both of us are tangentially members of the music business. And I think that, honestly. Would the results have been different if How Long Gone was allowed to vote? I don't know. Would Kendrick Lamar have won anything? Definitely not. And he looked bad. Don't try to tell me that looked cool. It didn't. The only person that looked good was Steve Lacey and his mom who were in complimentary, I believe, St. Laurent custom, which looked very good. He was also wearing a tasteful pump on the foot. Just a little, I mean, if you don't wear a nice little sling black. Sling back to the Grammys. What are you even doing? Yeah, exactly. What are you even doing? But I was able to watch most of the award show until I fell asleep, so I saw an hour total. But I would like all these fucking Swifties listening to How Long Gone to put some respect on Bonnie Raitt's name. She's a legend in the game. She's been making hits since before you were born. um amazing guitar player amazing voice and i think we should respect her i respect her more than ozzy if we're keeping it 100 of course i respect her more than ozzy but you know that's why that's why we have lifetime achievement awards not best best album of the year or best song of the year or whatever best performance of the year means what is what is the difference between performance and album and song um i as a member of the music industry yeah let me think about this one um i believe performance has to do with um I think you're supposed to focus on the song as a whole versus the craft, which is maybe the difference, is my guess, based on context clues and obviously years and years of experience as a songwriter and listener. Counterpoint, what you said doesn't mean anything. Of course, I agree, but I think that if you break it down, I think it's something like maybe...

Yeah, I don't know. I mean, maybe you're analyzing the lyrics and music separately and analyzing one. Yeah, that's fair. That's fair. In a whole sense. I don't know. But people looked awful. I mean, B.B. Rexha looked like insane. Everybody looked really bad. And it goes again. It goes back to this whole issue we have with men dressing for the red carpet. Like, just put on a tuxedo. Just put on a suit, dude. Stop trying to be creative. Stop trying to look like pentatonics. Like, these people look fucking... Are you going to tell that to Sam Smith? Sam Smith is an abysmal... I mean, who could be more unlikable than Sam Smith? Whereas Kim Petras, lovable, talented, vivacious, has given us many, many SoulCycle bops in her short career. The throat goat. representation was great exactly i mean that that's a truly awful song i think you that's one one thing where you got you and i would agree on yes but i think that the lyrical content needs to be heard you know so i think that's something that we have yeah the lyrical content of that song is so important i love when you're like up on stage you know fighting back tears accepting your award for the song and like oh what is this song about well it's about a guy who goes to a strip club and doesn't tell his wife And that's it. But here's the kicker. It's from the perspective of their child, daughter, or son. Their young child or daughter or son knows that. And this is why you're not allowed to vote, because you have a bad attitude. And that's something we'll get into, what we can get into later. Who amongst us has not gone to a strip club and not told your wife or girlfriend or a significant other? That's not powerful. That's what I do on a Wednesday. Yeah, yeah. I know that you're a real strip club cat. I support sex workers. I don't say that they're unholy. Sam Smith seems to be deeply unhappy. You know what I mean? But I did like the fact that he let Kim speak because I think she's the first.

trans artist to win awards she gave a shout out to sophie yeah and funny enough i was in i was in ninth three espresso today and they were banging sophie and it reminded me how much i like that song sophie's great and i saw a tweet from grimes saying i tried to nominate sophie for best producer of the year and the academy told me no i'm not allowed to well so that's where the grammys are at with sophie i don't know if it has to do with sophie it might have a little do more with grimes you know what i'm saying like i don't i don't no one wants to hear from grimes hey sophie was not on the board grimes was uh that well yeah i mean i guess that i guess that's true i mean grimes is is relevant to someone uh not not me of course yeah it's time we we need to disrupt the oscars the grammys all this stuff the grammys don't mean anything anymore nobody cares about them it's just a piece of content that we use to make fun of people's outfits and that's about it nobody cares about it whatsoever We need to disrupt it and create a new one. Yeah, we've done that. We did that. I think you and I are just the people for the job. We did that 20 years ago. It's called the MTV Video Music Awards, and it's just a lower rent version of the Grammys. No, I think these award shows, people say they don't matter. And, of course, I mean, it depends on what your gauge of matter is. You know what I mean? It got people talking. The thing is, the thing about award shows that I think still makes them powerful in some ways is it's the last bastion of appointment television that we have. You know, it's like people actually watch it outside of sports. Yeah, exactly. So so for gay people like myself, it's something we can actually watch, not sports. Everyone can watch it together and you can do a group tweet and the hive is alive. But I mean, that really is why I think they even still I mean, I think they get I think the ratings are actually up as of the last couple of years. But I think it really is because it's like the last last appointment television. Yeah, this this year, the Golden Globes got almost as many viewers as one third.

of any episode of any hbo show this yeah but i mean i would still just awful right there was like four million people watched it or something i mean the goal that the grammys is i think that i think the grammys is a little more highest rated because i think that the problem with the the film and television stuff is that they don't the oscars do it more now but they don't have the the live performances to lean on so it's literally just people talking for four hours which i guess is every hbo show as well but sometimes they have dragons and stuff so people like it more Almost got as many viewers as any Big Bang Theory rerun or Family Guy on TBS at 11.50pm. Yeah, I mean, the Golden Globes aren't that exciting. But yeah, I mean, the Grammys are the Grammys. I will continue to watch them. People love it. I think that the fact that people are so offended by Beyonce and Harry and Taylor, it's just, it's really... All these award shows do is solidify the one thing we can all agree on, and that is that Stan culture is so dark and depressing. Absolutely. Liking anything that much is loser shit, and you need to reevaluate your priorities if you're going to war. with a stranger about an award show that has nothing to do with you because you work at a subway in Des Moines. And don't even get me started on the barbs, Jason. I mean, I'm scared of them, but also... I'm good with the barbs. What happens when you're a stan so deeply of something that is now irrelevant? Like, what do you do? Do not, Chris. Do not. I'm just saying. Think about it. Look, she's more relevant than Bonnie Raitt. That's for shitshare, brother. I'm actually going to say that might not be true, but, I mean, she's relevant to her stans, yeah. But when's the last time you thought about Nicki Minaj? Yeah, you're right. Bonnie and Nicki probably have about the same amount of followers on social media, right? Well, that's the thing. I bet Bonnie... I wonder, though, honestly, and this is this... I'm using pure sarcasm, I'm sure. Bonnie Raitt has several million less than what she does. But I wonder, I wonder, I wonder if Bonnie Raitt's actually out, you know, year to date sold more records than Nicki Minaj's. I bet she has, maybe. Bonnie Raitt album. Maybe, maybe. That's a double maybe? Well, it would be crazy. It seems insane, but also like kind of. Okay, Bonnie Raitt has sold over 17.6 million albums. Let's see here.

Nicki Minaj. But that's pre-streaming, you know what I mean? So that's like actual sales. Yeah. And Nicki Minaj, she's only sold 10 million. I mean, you know, people want to talk about relevance. I like to talk about numbers, Jason. I'm kind of a numbers guy when it comes to money and sales only. Where Nicki Minaj did 250 million streams in January. Oh, yeah, definitely. Oh, yeah. I mean, there's no comparing that part. But like hard ticket sales, you know, that's where I strive to. compare um yeah so chris your boy your boy harry did win best album which it was a better i mean it was a bad album sure but so was beyonce i don't think either of them are bad i think they're both mid and harry did a better job this year of playing live and selling out 100 shows while Beyonce didn't do that. I think that really does have a... Yeah, I mean, Harry put in the work. He was touring all over the world, all over the country, multiple shows and legendary venues. Beyonce played for Saudi Arabian child traffickers one show and got paid the same amount of money. Look, she... Look, Beyonce works smart, not hard. I do appreciate that about her. Yeah, she's like, oh, Harry, you say, like, oh, I'll just come. I'll come to L.A. I'll knock out ten shows in a week. That's easy money. She's like, well, I'll knock out a year's worth of shows in one hour. Done and done. I listened to that record maybe three times. I listened to the Harry record more because I didn't like it at first, so it grown me a little bit. But, of course, you know, none of that matters. The heart wants what the heart wants, and America's heart wants Beyonce to win. And, you know. Harry Styles, I did not like his jumper that he wore on the red carpet. I'm going to admit that. Yeah, I was going to ask you if you could maybe try to find any shred. of of defense no no no i mean that's it's it's it's indefensible i mean i think it's cool that he wore like a small independent designer at like a big moment that's a nice look and a nice thing to do who was the who was the designer i can't even remember alex knew it's like it's a parisian i can't remember um but he i mean he does that his stylist like his stylist harry puts him in you know but otherwise um no he looked absolutely insane but at the same time like if i had that kind of body maybe i'd wear stuff like that too i don't know but at the very least if

If I had his body, I would get the Rihanna under titty tattoo like he does as well. Yes. And then kind of go from there. Yeah, that's a classic. All right. We do have a guest. We do have a guest tonight. And it is tonight. It is tonight. We're doing a rare night podcast, a special edition for a VIP from Shanghai. And it feels right, I guess. You know, I don't know. I don't love recording at night, but Sarah Jane Ho requested it. Thanks to her international location. You might have seen her show Mind Your Manners on Netflix. She's an etiquette teacher and expert. She's more educated than Jason and I's entire families. She has one of those beautiful accents that you can't place. She's got the international school accent, which I find alluring because it doesn't allow you to place someone. It keeps you on your toes. Are you from Sydney, Shanghai? Exactly. Just a simple London town. God only knows. Exactly. We don't know. So she's going to give us some tips and tricks on how to behave in polite society. Unlike failing New York Magazine, she's actually an expert. So we kind of do that for you here on How Long Gone. We bring in actual experts. We don't have media personalities kind of playing out their grudges in print. Yeah. We don't just hire people who buy cat sweaters on Etsy. with their $300 from Gawker. We get the real motherfuckers who got the deals. And I've been wondering, Chris and I both eat a lot of bananas, and she eats hers with a knife and fork. So cool. I feel like that's a little bit of a crazy thing to do, and I don't even know if it's actually possible, but I do need to figure out how to do that. And I think an audio-based podcast is the perfect place to learn that. So let's give her a Zoom, and we're going to get into all of this and more. This episode of How Long Gone is brought to you by a new podcast from The Guardian stateside with Kai and Carter. This is covering a lot of our bases, Jason. It's trying to slow down.

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It's like reminiscent of Mao's Little Red Book. Oh, okay. It's also reminiscent of Ashley Madison. It was another website that kind of evokes the same flavor. You know what I mean? Okay, so I've already heard of three I don't know about. Now, what is your preferred Chinese social media platform? Oh, my main one is Little Red Book, which is a cross between Instagram and Pinterest. Oh, wow. Yeah. all the girls in the first and second tier cities are on it. Okay, okay. And I love that you just flat out tier the cities like that, where in America it's actually considered rude to do that. It would be poor etiquette, almost. We have to pretend that cities that don't matter do. It's kind of part of the American way. But we do still rate women's looks on a numerical scale. Yeah, so we're behind in some ways, but ahead in others. I can't explain it. You know, take your pick. Take your pick. Every country's got a little different. I can't explain it. So, all right, so this, I'm sorry, the little, what is it called again? I'm sorry, the Little Red Book? Little Red Book. Little Red Book. No, I need to tell my life partner about this because she was just commenting about how she doesn't really care about Instagram anymore. It's not really scratching her itch, and she finds herself looking on. Pinterest more so lately. So combining the two, somebody pinch me. What kind of VPN? Yeah, VPN. Well, I don't want to say anything that's going to get me kicked out of China, guys. Wait, I think Sarah's muted. That's fair. That's fair. Copy that. I was just saying that the little red. So what is it? What is the layout? Does it look like Instagram or does it have a different? features so you can display like images side by side let's say or is it a carousel style like instagram oh it's it's carousel style you can do videos um but it's also become a it's almost become like it's replaced search engines in some ways so if you hear about a cool scenic spot or a hotel or a restaurant Everybody just goes to the Red Book to search. Whoa. Okay. Yeah. I mean, Jason does that with restaurants, right? Jason, like you would go to Instagram before you would go to like Google or Yelp. Yeah. You can learn a lot about a restaurant or a business on Instagram because if you look on their stories, then everything's being posted in real time where.

If you go on Google and you're like, they could have updated their information in 2017 for all we know. Yeah. The book, I'm going to check it out. Are Americans allowed to use it? Yeah, totally. I mean, it's all in Chinese, but you know what? Kim Kardashian is on it. Yeah, totally. Oh, really? I bet she is. All right. She's on it. Kim probably took the time to learn the language as well. Yeah, I know. Quite a Wonder Woman. World famous podcaster Jason Stewart is going to be the second kind of major American to join. So watch this space. If you're using the platform now, just make sure to give Jason a follow. His Pinterest stuff, I can imagine, is going to be great. That kind of side of his business is really robust. You would agree, right, Jason? I have a lot of different mood boards for all my fun little moods. But Sarah Jane, we were talking about bananas right beforehand. You said that you overheard us talking about that, but you were on mute, right? Oh, I loved it. I mean, you know, the banana thing, people take it too seriously. Well, yeah, I know it's a little bit of a showboat kind of novelty stunt thing, and you probably don't sit at your breakfast nook every morning and meticulously peel and slice a banana with a knife and fork. Is there an instance or an occasion when you do need? to possess this skill, or is it just kind of like a showboat thing? So it's part of my tricky foods course, and it's also something that I learned in Switzerland when I was at Swiss finishing school. And the point of learning how to cut a banana with a knife and fork is more about practicing your knife and fork skills, because it is challenging. Actually, the even more challenging thing is how to cut... an orange with a knife and fork, which actually Netflix made the poster of Mind Your Manners, my show. But it's funny because then everybody was like, I couldn't find the bit about the orange. And somehow they cut it out of the edit, but they put it on the poster. That's great. Yeah. We call that lack of continuity in the business. Okay. So the orange is the most difficult fruit to handle with. And when you're doing that, is that with like a butter knife?

Or do you need like a chef's blade to do this? Yeah, butter knife is only for butter. If you want to increase the difficulty level, you can use a butter knife if, you know, a sharper blade is presenting too easy of a task for you, perhaps. Yeah, well, I mean, no, the blade is a good question because how sharp the blade is does make a difference as to how easily you can. cut open the orange like a flower and let it blossom now do you okay i just and i know this i don't want to get in the weeds on this here but do you i'm really having a tough time visualizing this this scalpel to orange moment because i watched the program and when you did the banana thing it truly was precision like a one of beverly hill's finest plastic surgeons and that's what kind of kept me entertained but with the orange it seems like there's a like you said it's more difficult there's a lot more room for error but but do you Do you open it up and then de-skin, or do you de-skin first and then start flowering, as you said? De-flowering, actually. Okay, de-flowering. I apologize. I didn't want to be crass. I didn't want to be crass. So do you take the whole skin off first, or is that not how it works? Wrong. You steady it. Okay, okay. Skin off a little bit of the bottom so that it can sit upright. without rolling around. Oh, nice. Okay, this is good stuff. And then from the top, so you then you puncture the orange just skin deep with your fork. So you have a good hold on to it. He's not going anywhere. And then you slice from the top of the orange down to the bottom, down to the plate. And you do that about eight times because eight is an auspicious number in Chinese feng shui. And then you have, you know, some pretty little potential petals so after you do the slicing and you rotate it as you slice then you do the peeling where you put your knife kind of 45 degrees just under just tuck it under the peel and then you peel it that way by like opening it up and then it becomes a beautiful flower and then you just pick it up like a baseball and just start

slurping on that thing right or do you then slice it into supreme segments afterward and then one by one segments got it okay this is reminding me of um kind of like an episode of nip tuck you know this seems like maybe a fetish thing yeah one of those guys well it reminds me more so of of kind of like asmr type of energy like do you have any odd fans somewhere in in china who maybe like to watch videos of you cutting fruit a little too much? Well, actually, when GQ flew to China to trail me for a week back in 2015, when this segment came out on YouTube, it went viral. I think it got a couple million views. GQ hasn't seen numbers like that in years. That's good. Now, I want to talk about the finishing schools, because I feel like... I'm in the market for something like this. I'm pretty good. I did go to Southern Cotillion as a young person, and I consider myself to have manners. I think I know some stuff, some service-level stuff. I know we've only had dinner once. We hung out a little bit. You don't know me that well, but if you had a particular finishing school to prescribe me, what do you think that would be? Well, we had a gentleman's course. In the very early days. But we had such few sign-ups that we quietly did away with it. Okay. So you're saying that men weren't interested, but you're saying that a separate course has to exist for men because our skills that we need to refine are a little bit different than those of a woman. Well, there are some core etiquette lessons that are basics. It doesn't matter what gender you are, what age you are. For example, introduction to Western cutlery or Chinese table manners, dress codes. But there are a few things that are specific to men. Okay, let's get into this because, Jason, look, I need help. Jason needs a lot of help. He's raised in Southern California. They're kind of slobs over there. You know that. And, you know, he wears shorts to restaurants. He wears Crocs. So if there's certain stuff that men should know, I'd love for you to give us just a few kind of tidbits that we could chew on. Yeah, well, a lot of what we teach men is in relation to women. All right, I'm out. So if you are walking with a lady on the street,

and you're on the pedestrian walkway, right? One side is the wall or the shops. The other side are the cars. Which side should the gentleman be on? It was an easy one. Yeah, that's an easy one, the cars. Why? Because my big sexy body will protect her body when a flaming Tesla on autopilot comes screeching down the road. Exactly. Very good. It hits you first. Which is tough for me because if I'm walking by the shops, as you say, and something from Hermes catches my eye, I'm going to, unfortunately, cross the picket line. He's easily distracted. I'm easily distracted by high-end wearers. But, okay, I'll try to stay on the car side. It sounds like you and your partner should maybe not walk on sidewalks, Chris. Yeah. We just have to walk single file in the middle so that we kind of both get the experience. Okay, no, I can do that. I can protect. That's a good starter. That's a good starter. Now, what about on the staircase going up? I would trail, correct? Why? Oh, shit. Because maybe if she's wearing clothing. A short skirt. Yes, a short skirt, and she doesn't want people to get a free show, you're there. You've already seen it before, right? You get the show first. So Chris gets the show first. Chris gets the show. Chris always gets the show first. Okay. Okay, so if we're... Okay. How many dates do you have to be in to where that happens? Well, that's... That's very subjective. Penetration has to be completed and then you can offer up. Okay, I get it now. Yeah, that's good. Because that's also maybe gets it hot for the bedroom later. You know what I mean? It feels a little bit like... It's a tease. Oh, Jesus Christ. Yeah, it's a tease. I'm sorry, Jason. I didn't mean to take it there. Okay. You're going to get her kicked out of China. Oh, this doesn't get me kicked out of China. It's only the government stuff that gets me kicked out of China. Okay, don't worry. We're not interested in government. We're only interested in... So no talking about the spy balloon. I have no idea what you're talking about. That spy balloon was created by America as a PSYOP. We only care about upskirts, not psi balloons. So you're... What is this? Not balloons. So we're kind of on the right path. Okay, so if you're going up a staircase, you should walk behind your woman, but not to get the first look.

It's rather that if she falls, you can see her. She falls onto you. Okay. That's a good one. That's a good one. That also sounds like a smart idea, and I'll see how I'm going to be able to clean that one up in post to make it sound like I got it on the first try, but no promises yet. Well, I like this because it feels old school. I just feel like I haven't seen a woman fall down the steps in a while, but I guess anything is possible. So I should be there to kind of use my strong, muscular body to... to kind of cushion the fall. Well, follow-up question, Sarah Jane. Let's say, for example, your female partner has a stronger core than you do. What happens at that point? You know, so a lot of this is not exactly about whether she's fitter than you or, you know, you're unfit. It's really more about the psychology of it that she feels protected by her man. Okay. So unless you have a relationship where you need to feel like you're protected by a woman. Jason is definitely the cuck in his relationship to the alpha. But I think physically, Jason, and we should have told you this, Sarah Jane, but Jason has quite an imposing height. He's six foot nine. So he looks more important and sturdy than he actually is. Which could work in his favor, I guess, in these situations. He looks like he could really protect someone. So I just wanted to give you the full deck before we continue. Wow. I'll have to meet you in life. We'll meet in life. Don't worry. All right. I need some more. This is really going great for me. So what else should men be learning? What about getting into a call with a woman? Okay. I've got some thoughts about this. I feel like opening the door for a woman. It feels a little old school. I feel like that could offend some women in 2023. Not that I agree with that. I just think that's a possibility. But I assume that's where we're going with this because that's where my heart is. That seems like the right thing to do. Wrong. I say you go in. You've got the car. The Uber pulls up. Open that door on that side. Don't expect them to slide over.

And then I would go around to the other side of the car and let myself in. Good job, Jason. So you don't let the lady slide over, because especially if she's wearing heels and a skirt, for her to shuffle over is really not elegant. I agree. No, no. I've learned that one the hard way, that ladies do not love a slide over in the car. I mean, that's common sense a little bit. But I guess my question is... Sarah Jane, is opening the door for a lady, is that frowned upon these days or is that something that is still viewed as good manners? You know, in Western society, the reason that men have to act like gentlemen for the fairest sex, right? You hear this term thrown around because the fairest sex is not thrown around in Chinese society. It's thrown around in Western society, which is based on Christianity. Okay. And where you have this whole battle of the sexes. And as a result of that, men need to feel like they are showing behavior that respects the so-called weaker sex, the so-called fairer sex. And you're saying that China doesn't do that? No. Our society is based on Confucian principles, over 2,000 years of Confucian principles, where it's about seniority and hierarchy. So that is why a Chinese woman is not offended if her husband walks ahead of her. And if her husband doesn't let her go first, because according to our hierarchy in a family, the grandpas or the eldest come first and the male come first. So a granddaughter would never dream of walking ahead of her grandfather. That would be the ultimate disrespect. A woman would not walk ahead of her husband. That would be disrespectful, especially if it's in a setting, a formal setting where other people are present. But in the West, it's the opposite. In the West, a man less a woman of the so-called fairer sex, right? This is obviously like centuries old, outdated probably for 23. So-called is right, Sarah Jane. So-called is right. Go ahead. You can almost hear Chris on the Delta app.

looking at flights to china right now can't you no that is not no this is this is good stuff so you're saying because of our because of our um fucked up christian principles um we're doing it wrong or just different just different there's never a right there's never wrong etiquette is always about context chris oh damn okay bars um all right look i i mean i think that uh this this all makes sense um i think that But it seems like to me, based on the show and based on some reading I've done, that there's a lot more of this stuff applies to women, let's say. Is that fair to say? Or is it just that men aren't as interested in learning how to do things properly? I would say that women, whether they're Chinese or whether they're American, women all around the world. are actually generally more interested in self-improvement. I know that's controversial. I know there's going to be a bunch of American men out there who are going to come after me at this. But at least from my experience running and finishing school, for Mind Your Manners, we had more female students interested. And in China, I did away with my gentleman's course because gentlemen were like, I'll just make money and pay for my... All the half to go. Okay, that does appeal to me. I do like that. I like making money and then paying for problems to go away. I totally get that. I think it's a classic case of the people who need it the most seem to be the least interested. That's men. Barbarians. We're disgusting. We need all the help we can get from someone at your level. I'm not disgusting. I just see a business opportunity on our hands, Sarah Jane. I think you and I could partner up. Let's open a men's etiquette school. Exactly. I think we could take this thing to the top. I honestly do. I'm sure you have some working capital. I'm a little cash poor right now, but I'm sure you have some working capital. And with my kind of branding and expertise and this platform that we have here at HowLongOn, I think we could really launch something. And I don't know, but it's tough for me to know which city would be best. Because obviously this can't be done over Zoom. This is a real IRL experience. Oh, yeah. Maybe New York? I feel like guys in New York think they have it figured out.

That's part of the problem. Nowhere has it figured out in terms of guys, but New Yorkers have a lot of money to waste on stuff like this, so I think that is a good place to do that. Have you noticed a rise? You've been doing this for a number of years now. Have you noticed a rise in the need for males to have a course like this? a decrease in their level of manners or etiquette, specifically in the male realm. I think I've noticed it, but that could just be me. So the need has always been there. I think maybe what you're asking about is the interest. Maybe. I think more so in terms of the rise of maybe incel culture, people who feel as if the world is against them and they're never going to find a woman and they end up sort of... And recoiling and disrespecting women and, you know, going in the wrong direction. I feel like there's been a rise of that more lately. Interesting, because I think there's been a rise of that, but it's not specific to men or women. I feel that it's the whole world, literally every culture, especially with younger generations. There's an absolute lack. of etiquette these days i mean just go on twitter there's workplace bullying the street violence like politics politicians don't act like statesmen anymore that's right that's true they'll slap each other on the senate floor the the word statesman is not a word that i've heard used in years i can't remember the last time i heard that yeah but i i agree with that 100 being being a statesman means You're boring, and I want to change the channel. Well, I mean, you know, Bill Clinton was a statesman, right? I mean, a lot of the, you go back to JFK. He was until he wasn't. No, no, you're right. I agree with that. I agree with that. Right? They weren't boring. That's true. That's a good point. No, they did all their dirt. Well, they did their dirt behind the scenes, as any good man would. Yeah. You know?

They ran this country and had sex with Marilyn Monroe and no one knew about it until they were dead. And that's a lesson to be learned. I worry that in these trying times that you can't really be a person like that anymore because you're only going to appeal to a small fraction of the voting demographic and people require or desire other things. That are maybe more flashy and shiny and funny and things like that. Yeah, I mean, it's a popularity contest. It's a popularity contest. And you don't win that by being the most serious or studious. You win that by being the most entertaining. you know, for the most part. It's like anything else. It's like a ratings battle. Or the tallest. Or the tallest, of course. Yeah, yeah, that's, yeah. How could I forget the metric that we- One of my favorite rules. That we truly measure by. So I also read, Sarah Jane, that you do have a book coming out, right? Next year or this year? When is it coming out? Yeah, well, you know, I wrote a book in Chinese. It's my first one in English. Oh, so, okay. So we're branching out. You're coming to the West. You're really trying to conquer the West, huh? Well, you know, I was an English major in college. I've always loved reading and writing, and it's actually been my mission to bridge East and West. Well, you speak multiple languages, and you are a very worldly person. I know that there's no necessarily right or wrong answer to this, and you can't pick a favorite, but gun to your head, what's the best language? husband's dialect right now. Which is Chinese. It's a Chinese dialect. A dialect of Chinese. So my husband is from a three and a half tier city in China. Is that good or bad? Well, I mean, there's no good or bad. It's just... It actually used to be a fourth tier city, but it's moved up a little. It's three and a half tier city now. Jason, let me translate for her. Three and a half means that none of us would live there, and we would try not to stop for gas if we were driving through. That's what it sounds like to me. I know that the smaller the number on the tier, the better it is, but when you said three and a half, it led me to believe that when did the number stop? Yeah, good point. Is three and a half still could be excellent?

How many tiers do we have in Chinese cities? Let me Google that right now. I'll clean it up in post. Don't worry. Oh, it's four. I guess the lowest is four. Okay, so three and a half is rough. Three and a half, not so good. Four means... No running water? This is sort of like a reverse Michelin rating system, isn't it? Yeah, exactly. If it's a three Michelin restaurant, it's a destination that you would plan an entire vacation around. If it's a three-starred city in China, you would go out of your way to avoid this city. Do they have an airport in this three-and-a-half-star Chinese city, or is it more of a driving destination? That's a really good question. building the airport right now. Okay, so I imagine your husband is a quite accomplished guy who made it out. And is it a real airport or is it a North Korean style kind of fake airport mostly made out of cardboard and things like that? No, planes will be able to land and take off. Okay, so you're learning his dialect and this is like, is this just like... to be nice to him, or is it going to help your relationship? Well, it's because whenever we go to Li Shui, and I actually spend half of my time in China in Li Shui, so we split our time between Shanghai, which is the first-tier city, Hangzhou, which is the second-tier city, and Li Shui, which is a three-and-a-half-tier city. Li Shui sounds like a girl Jason would have met in the club in 2006, but continue. So if you're spending all this time in a three-and-a-halfer, he must be loaded, right? Yeah, I mean, this guy must be hot. Like, this guy must be making money. He's good looking. This guy has it all. Because you don't seem like a three and a half tier kind of woman to me. Well, he says he came to find me in the first two cities. I see. He left his hometown looking to... Kind of marry up. It's very Nicole Richie, Simple Life kind of vibe. It is. If you look at my Instagram, which is at sarahjaneho.com, it's old countryside. It's so beautiful. I literally am living the Simple Life. Okay, so you like it out there, but what do you do? Like, are there restaurants? Are you having to forage for your own food? Like, what is going on? How many ducks do you kill per day? Oh, my goodness.

So, okay, so the ultimate luxury in China now is having your own farm. And all his friends there have their own farm. So it's like you're talking about like 500 acres of the farm. Is this because as the world is continuing to reach a dystopian end, food will become the ultimate currency? Sounds like a yes, Jason. I know that China's into that kind of stuff. So is America. It takes one to know one. That's true. I come from a place where there's a lot of farms too, the southern United States, but it's not really like a status thing. It's more of a, this is how we feed our family. So you're saying that these guys are doing it for fun, but these farms actually work, or they're just for show? Yeah, do they sell the produce and animals, or do they keep it for their families? Keep it for your family, and then you gift to your friends. Yeah, so it's a huge gifting thing where – and it's sort of like a status gifting thing where it's like, oh, let me do these pig strotters. They're from my pig. So that's a tier three, tier four gift, giving somebody pig feet when there's so many – when there's some Wagyu beef out there is what I'm guessing? So it's like if Jason gave me like a cow or something, is that – that's like very – Ultimate sign of respect. Yeah, is that the ultimate – what's the ultimate gift from a farm? You know what I mean? What do you think the highest form of respect in a gift is? Is it bees? Two days ago, I had beef penis, bull penis. Okay. Damn. It was my first time. So you're saying bull dick is the number one gift. How is this prepared? So it was in this hot pot. Okay, okay. And it was sort of this translucent looking thing. Does the dick get lost in a hot pot? Oh, no, no, no. Bull dick is really big. Oh, you're not missing it. You know where it is at all times. Okay, so you're saying the hot pot, because the hot pot, there's so many flavors. There's so many rich, deep ingredients. You're saying the bull dick is so big that you could never miss it in that hot pot. Well, it's not big in terms of girth. It's big in terms of length. Okay, okay. So the bull is packing. It's so hard to not make jokes right now. Okay. And then you...

Okay, so does the bull dick have a flavor, or does it take on the flavor of what it's being cooked in, like tofu? Yeah, is it a sought-after ingredient, like a shark fin soup or something like that? Yeah, except shark fin soup is technically illegal now, but bull dick is very plentiful. Okay. We're up to our ears and bull dick over there in China is what you're saying. Good to know that you guys, if I need to find bull dick, I know where to go. But how is it tasting? What would you compare it to mouthfeel-wise? It's chewy. And then you have the testicle part, which tastes a little bit like grainy caviar. This is something I'm having a tough time wrapping my head around. Are there any upsides to this delicacy? Oh, yeah. So in China, according to... You're like, yeah. Tastes better than bull pussy. That would be cow pussy, actually. I apologize. You're right, you're right, you're right. Come on, Jason. Let the record state, Sarah Jane said cow pussy. Well, she corrected you. She had to correct you. She can't let that false information go out. I don't want to get flagged. Okay, so according to traditional Chinese medicine, It's sort of an age-old belief that whatever part of an animal you eat is good for that part of you. So if you are having libido issues, then you go and eat bull dick. That's really interesting. So can you give some other examples of that? Like something that's maybe more common? Brain makes you smart when you eat it? Yeah, and then eating pig's lung is really good for your own lung. So especially after the whole... covid surge especially you know when pollution is bad all everybody's like oh you should eat more pigs eat more pigs long okay so hold on does this have any do we have any facts on this or is this more just like a well this is 2 000 years of feeling So is the Bible, but that's bullshit. Yeah, yeah. Okay, but I'm saying like if you, is this something that you've personally had work in your life? Yeah, how much of it is sort of superstition or mysticism and how much of it is rooted in science and research? So I would say that, you know, eating a part of an animal body that helps a part of your own body, I'm not sure how scientific that is exactly, but...

Traditional Chinese medicine, which is actually, believe it or not, the world's oldest medical system, clocking in at 2,300 years old minimum, that is actually very scientific. No, I'm a full believer in Chinese medicine. That is something I truly believe in. That has worked for me. Have you tried it? I mean, not specific, specific, but just acupuncture, all of that kind of stuff that I have done in my life has worked much better than most of the Western promises. Oxycontin does work well, though. And Fetil, right? I mean, look, it doesn't feel as good as Oxycontin, but it's not as addictive, so it's pretty great. No, Sarah Jane, I had crippling sciatica when I was younger in my lower back and my leg. And the only thing that fixed it was acupuncture, continued acupuncture. And I will so I will like scream it from the mountaintops any chance I get about how useful it is. And you know what? I think that the West is catching on to this now. And oftentimes people turn to Chinese medicine as a means of last resort because their Western physicians were giving them all these painkillers. I mean, I have Western friends who said that just the other day, a girlfriend of mine said that her college roommate. had some kind of issue. She had a tumor that kept on growing in her leg. And Western doctors kept, you know, removing it, removing it. And then finally, it grew around her muscles so that they couldn't even remove it. Western doctors told her to amputate. And this girl's father, right, means of last resort, found some hospital in China. I mean, they'd never come to China before. And this is like 20 years ago. And through traditional Chinese medicine was able to cure her for life. Like one month of treatment cured her for life. I believe it though. I really do. I think it's just a, I mean, it doesn't, I'm pretty open to stuff like that because I'm just like, I'll try anything when it comes to my body. It's true. I've seen it. When it comes to like pain, I think you become desperate a little bit and you're willing to try anything. And I think, but I think people also, I think acupuncture, the main, the main issue is the needles. I think that stops a lot of people. I think they're like,

People just don't like needles. The idea of it is scarier than actually doing it. Oh, 100%. Yeah, it doesn't hurt or anything. I mean, Jason, you did a lot of acupuncture too, didn't you? Yeah, I've done a lot. Yeah, it doesn't hurt, but it's a sensation that can feel uneasy. I don't know. It's hard to explain. Yeah. I mean, I remember that one of the first times I went, I went in the waiting room. There was like a woman that was just like bawling in the waiting room. And I'm like. this is weird. Like what, what's going on here? And then the doctor was like, Oh no, sometimes the emotional release is so extreme that people like can't control themselves. I store most of my trauma in my fascia. Yeah, exactly. So it's like this woman was just had released, you know, all of these emotions and was, uh, they were on display in the waiting room, um, which probably wasn't good for business, but I was happy to see that, that she, that's going to be very good for business. If you ask me, you know, case study right there. If you just poke a needle in my leg and I just start, releasing decades of pain and emotion through tears? Sign me up. It's cheaper than therapy. Yeah, way cheaper. And my insurance covers it. What's the therapy culture over there in China looking like? Not much? Well, 10 years ago, if you talked about going to therapy, people would say, are you mad? Yeah. And that's mostly the older generation, the parental generation. And interestingly, because, I mean, you've heard about... Chinese tiger mothers, right? Of course. That book went wild. Jason's date. You have a tiger mom? I'm engaged to one. Well, there you go. Exactly. I'm sure you have American-born Chinese friends who can tell you all about their Chinese parents. I grew up with a Chinese tiger mother. And now my generation, like the millennials, we've realized how that's really messed us up. And a lot of things such as... how Chinese parents can never be wrong. Again, this goes back to 2000s of Confucian principles where they say there's a term that says parents are heaven and children are earth. And so children have to listen to their parents. There doesn't need to be any reason, any rhyme.

You just listen to what your parents say. And that really messes you up. Like if your parent doesn't know how to apologize to you, you grow up not knowing how to apologize. Yeah, totally. Oh, yeah, totally. That's all very real. Yeah, I mean, my parents did a little bit of the like, because I said so, you know, type of type of punishment. But it sounds like this is a little more deeply rooted. Absolutely. With millennials in China now, there's been a huge turn towards. studying psychology and towards therapy i that doesn't i mean i think in in general like globally that might be the case i just think that the stigma around it is kind of gone um in a lot of ways i mean i think that it's it's uh it's it's more talked about than it ever has been would your parents be okay if you told them that you were in therapy well actually um i think before like maybe if i were in college they would have they would have just thought that that's unnecessary and it's some kind of western frill they're fucking you up over at harvard oh yeah totally you know you know how they are at georgetown jason you know how it goes down there and then i realized that all my close girlfriends i realized all my girlfriends who were in happy relationships had all done therapy and in my 20s after i got out of a particularly bad relationship that was bad for me um one of my best girlfriends who'd been doing therapy since she was a teenager she was like listen like You need to go find a therapist. And that was kind of a wake up call for me. I mean, a lot of my friends have been like Western friends have been going to therapy, but almost none of my Chinese friends. Like I didn't know any Chinese friends who were going to therapy. And so actually I went online and I just Googled because I didn't, you know, want my, toss my colleagues or my Chinese friends because there was still that stigma. And then I, and I knew what I said, well, I want, I don't want somebody Chinese because it's still a very nascent industry here. I wanted an American woman, right? Because America basically invented therapy. We got problems. And I wanted a woman who was married and had children, so she understood what it was to be in a relationship. I wanted an older American woman. And I found Teresa, who was married. She has five kids, three of whom she adopted, with her American husband, who's their expats. But she's been living in China for 15 years, so she really understands Chinese psychology as well.

She sees both sides. Yeah. And then since finding her in 2015 or – oh, no, since finding her in 2017. Uh, now 10 of my friends go to her and we call her mother Teresa. Wow. Wow. So, so you did a lot for Teresa's bottom line. This is great. Okay. So do we have a, do we have, make sure you make sure you sign up for those first look rights when the, when Netflix starts sniffing around. All right. You're in Hollywood now, Sarah, you know the rules. But I have to say, I haven't gone to Teresa like in two years. I mean, he helped me work through all my crap. to help me become the person I want to be and to attract the husband that I eventually ended up marrying. Okay, so how many stupid white boys did you date while you were living in America? So I've been living in China for 10 years. And in China, I've actually only dated Chinese guys. But when I was in the West, I think I only dated basically Western guys. I'm kind of like a go-native person. Wherever I am, I like to go native. Yeah, Jason's like that, too. Jason's like that, too. It just makes sense from a culinary standpoint as well as a sexual one. Now, what did you find the main downfall of American men? What are our problems? I'm sure there's some that stick out more than others. Actually, I think in America, I dated European guys. Okay, okay, don't do this. A blanket white boy, wherever they're from. They could be from Amsterdam or Denver. What are our kind of unique characteristics that need the most work, in your personal opinion? I don't think anybody's ever asked me this question. Welcome to How Long Gone. We do things a little differently around here. We're not afraid to play the race card here. Okay, so I have been on dinner dates. I never dated an American boy seriously, but I've obviously been on coffee dates. So I've been on dates. I love this. You don't even let an American guy take you to dinner. They got to go for the daytime. They get the afternoon slot. That's rough. No, because I like first dates to be casual.

I actually don't really like it. You can take me to Starbucks, bro. Yeah. Okay. We can go grab coffee. Damn. Okay. Because that way, if it doesn't go well, you have an easy exit. You don't have to wait for the second and third course to come out. Sure. Wow. Okay. So first of all, you're going on three-course dinners, which must be nice. Well, you know, I lived in New York. I know. These European guys are taking you to 11 Madison Park. They kind of want me to show you what a tasting menu is. You know, I get it. I understand. Are you familiar with omakase? Okay. It's beautiful. Okay, so with American men that I went on dates with, I really don't – your audience is American men. I don't want to shoot myself in the foot and offend American men. No, this is what they live for. They're going to become erect. Based on whatever answer you say. Yeah, exactly. It will not be met with any negativity. Also, you're talking to American men. We're asking you. We speak for American men when we ask for this information. We represent the culture. We're the diplomatic representative of toxic American men. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. We're the face of it. Yeah. Just anything that comes to mind. Anything that you think you saw more than once. We call that a trend. Shoes in the house. Oh, well, in the shoes in the house. The house is obviously a no-no. I wear shoes in the house. I don't give a shit. I stand on that. American boys are generally pretty clean, I have to say. At least the ones that I came across. Yeah, I know. The rich, good-looking, educated ones that you came across definitely were clean. I'm not worried about those Harvard guys showering or not. You never know. That's a good point. Lacrosse can get a little stinky. We talked about this on the show a couple days ago. Do you think the guy should pay on dates? Because I do, and there's a lot of different thinking around this now where it should be split, or we're equals so we can split it, or blah, blah, blah. When you're on that first date, Sarah Jane, do you act like you're reaching for the Hermes wallet to pay and split the bill, or do you just stand there staring at him? Okay, so it depends who I'm on a date with.

If I'm on a date with an Asian guy or a Latin guy or a guy from an Arab culture or a European guy. Anyone but white. Anyone but American. Anyone but American. A Chinese guy would be offended if you paid. Then he would think, oh, she's not interested in me. And he would never ask you out again. He probably wouldn't even reply to texts. He'd be like, oh, she just wants to friendzo me. I think Arab cultures would also be very offended because their culture is so much about... I mean, these are more patriarchal cultures, right? Where the man takes care of the woman. And how do you change 2,000 years of history in like... 10 years. A tasting menu can do a lot for you, but it ain't going to change that kind of history. I agree. A Netflix show will do it. Yeah, exactly. But you're saying in America, let me guess, things are a little bit different, and maybe this gesture is not as offensive. Yeah, so I think, because for me, etiquette is so much about context. I mean, if I were with Norway or Denmark, those Nordic countries, where it's also very much kind of equality. I mean, in America, I'd also, if you're with a southern guy, if you're a guy from the deep south. Thank you. That's me. That's me. Or if you're, it'd be different from maybe a guy, you know, from Maine or New York. So I think it's really about being sensitive. Yeah, in America, you have to always worry and play that game of like. Reach for the wallet. Southerner gay, which one is it? Southerner gay, that's so. That's a good one. I agree. It is a good one. It's a really good one. But okay, so I'll continue to pay, and that's what works for my relationship. And I've been told that's what works, so it works. But another thing that has been hammered into my head is that even as we move away from a cash-based society, a man should always have cash on him. You know, because that's that's something that could kind of help out in emergencies. You can buy anything. You get to tip with that. Do you have any stance? Do you have a stance on cash? You can buy anything as long as it's not at a store. I mean, I think everybody should have cash on hand. OK. In China, actually, I don't. But that's because China has such a it's leapfrogged across, you know, it's leapfrogged over the West in terms of electronic payments. As long as you have your phone, you can pay anything like everything.

On your phone. We're almost there here. We're almost there here. But in the States, I'm like the typical Chinese tourist in the States. I have a lot of cash on me. I wouldn't broadcast that on a show to hundreds of thousands of people listening, but you know. Okay, so you keep a lot of cash on you, but you also, that's because you're going shopping or that's because you just don't know where the day could take you? It's because I'm afraid that my Chinese credit cards won't work. Okay, look, that American Express black works in all countries. You know that. Don't act like that. I know you read the paperwork that came with it when you got one. Now, when you come to the Big Apple or L.A., what are your musts? What do you love to do? What's your number one when you touch down? So in New York City, I will walk everywhere. Yeah, but I have a feeling you're not wearing some hokas. hoka trainers and trotting around town do you are you able to do that in chanel flats or do you are you able to kind of canvas the city in a more suitable like you know i'd like to see you in something like a kitten heel if i could yeah are we going kitten or higher or are we going flats only okay who wears heels anymore guys i look i don't know girls don't wear heels anymore sophisticated women I think I see women wearing heels quite often, Sarah Jane. Usually it's at nighttime and they might be drunk and unable to stand, but it doesn't mean they're not trying. Well, I never wear heels during daytime unless I'm teaching. or have a photo shoot, or it's very formal. But if you're walking around New York, taking in the sights, stopping for a classic hot dog on the street, are you wearing Sambas? You're not doing sneakers. Yeah, are you wearing Sambas like the rest of us? Did Adrian Ho slip you some Adidas, or are you wearing your kind of regular, your formal footwear? So basically, I either wear a white leather sneaker, so it's leather,

It's not cloth. Let the record stay. It's not cloth. Got it. Or I wear one of my favorite boots. It's like a white boot with some metallic studs on it that's a low heel. So it's like a one-inch heel, and it's very working friendly. Who makes those boots, if you don't mind me asking? Coach. Oh. But they're from the Coach London store. So it's a much better merchandise. I had a feeling that was going to come with a caveat. Yeah, I knew that would have a caveat. Or a caveat of some sort. Okay, this is a good question, not to bring it back to Cousin Adrian, but now what do you wear when you're working out? Because this is a very controversial, there's a lot of ways to express yourself. You don't strike me as the Gymshark sports bra and tights kind of woman, so what's something? you know, demure that still serves the purpose when you're at Equinox working up a sweat. I basically only wear Lululemon. Because it keeps you snatched, or you just like the way it looks, like the way it feels, the quality is high? It just makes your butt... It makes your butt look more perky. That's right. It really does. It really does. I mean, I think... It's as simple as that. Yeah, well, I mean, the price is nice and high, too, which I like, but I don't think men should wear Lululemon. That's one of my rules. But if you are a man who can pull off Lulus, oh, baby. Of course you're not single. The world is your oyster. Now, when you're in L.A., do you like that, or is that too much for you? Is it too much driving? Is it too spread out? Oh, I love L.A. I mean... You know, because after I graduated from Georgetown, I spent two years living in New York. And something about New York is that it doesn't matter how long you live there. Every time you go back, and it doesn't matter how long you've been away. Every time you go back, you cross the bridge, you see the skyline, you feel like you're coming home. Oh, you don't have to tell me. Alicia Keys is starting to sing right now. Yeah, you tell them. And then with LA, I only discovered it, I'd say, only about like...

2018 was when I discovered L.A. And of course, my cousin, Adrienne Ho, the model, she moved out there. So I started staying with her there. Now I have work trips there. And I love L.A. And I just I love both. I mean, when I'm in L.A., I feel like I'm on holiday. That's right. Jason, I know it's holiday year round there. That's the beauty of it. Besides it being incredibly boring, it is it is the sun is out every day. So it is it's a nice bonus of Los Angeles and dining. Do you have to wait in line at Din Tai Fung, or is there a special phone number that you have now that you're a celebrity from China? Great question. Well, the only time I eat Chinese food in America is with my cousin Adrian. Right. It would be a fool's errand because you're, you know, what's the point? Well, yeah, because honestly, I mean, Din Tai Fung in America, it is delicious, but if you come over to China, it's next level. Oh, so the Din Tai Fung specifically in China is... Much, much better than the American version is what they're saying. Everything in Chinese food in China is better than Chinese food in America. I don't think anyone's disputing that. I'm ready to come visit China, but I'm only coming if you're there. I'm not really trying to brave it myself. So I don't know if there's a fee involved, but I could obviously pay for dinner. How Long Gone is able to cover car services. I don't know if you drive or not. So we can kind of discuss that offline. Well, I can't wait to take you to Lichue and feed you some stuff. Okay, this is good content for Jason and I. We're going to fly all the way to China and then go to a three and a half tier city to eat bull penis with you. We'll obviously bring the camera crew unless you have one for us. Could you imagine the banana is unpeeled and inside it's actually a long and not girthy bull penis inside and we're using our perfect swiping motions of our... La Goulet Knife. It'll have to be a lesson. Yeah, it'll have to be a lesson. It'll have to be a lesson. It'll have to be a lesson. It'll be a bonus feature on the DVD. Speaking of food again, all time, gun to your head, best finger sandwich.

Does it have to be in America? Whatever you want. What do you guys got? Do you have like squid ones over there? What's going on? Oh, best finger sandwich. Oh, I was thinking more Japanese, you know, with like the wagyu beef. Oh, I'm talking about like high tea. Oh, oh, okay. Salmon for sure. Butter and smoked salmon. Butter and smoked salmon. Simple, elegant. Stinky. Next time we're in London, Jason, I'm taking you to Claridge's for a high tea. That's something I would love to experience with you. As would I. And I learned how to stir my tea spoon front to back. No clinking on the outside of the glass. Good job, boys. You've been studying. We've been studying. Sarah Jane, we really appreciate you joining us on How Long Gone After Dark. And everybody can watch your show on Netflix now. Mind Your Manners is there streaming. You can learn a lot while also being entertained. Beautiful stuff. Thanks so much for joining us. And I can't wait to share some bullpenis with you in the near future. Thank you for having me, boys. It's been a pleasure.

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